the jehovah's witnesses believe that jesus christ and michael the archangel are the same person, and blatently ignore numerous verses and passages within scripture which explain that both jesus and michael are two separate persons.this video study (linked below) goes into the intricacies of hebrews chapters 1+2 explaining how the lord jesus and michael are different persons, and looks at the qualities, authority and power at which the lord jesus holds and how it is separate from angels including michael the archangel..
Curious... How do YOU define the word "facts," TTWSYF? Do you think FACTS and RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE are synonyms?
I pray for the day when you realize that these "facts" are nothing more than gibberish.
no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.
there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.
i think he is under the garage.
LV101 commented, "Didn't know they have their very own cemetery..."
During the history of the WTB&TS there have been several burial grounds used.
Pastor Russell is buried in Rosemont United Cemetery near Pittsburgh Pennsylvania.
"Judge" Joseph F Rutherford is buried in an unmarked grave under a garage in San Diego, California, but a faux-burial was performed in a portion of the cemetery of Woodrow United Methodist Church on Staten Island, not far from the old Watchtower farm and site of WBBR (Watchtower radio).
Then some were interred (without markers, because that would be creature worship) in other Watchtower properties as the Brooklyn org expanded northward. One was nick-named "the launching pad" by Bethelites who reasoned that their dead leaders were resurrected as invisible spirit creatures who would rule with King Jesus in heaven.
The burial sites shown above are the most recent. Note that grave markers are present. It must be OK to "worship" Knorr and Franz and others now.
no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.
there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.
i think he is under the garage.
Silas Hobbs said, quoting Perfesser Penton: "After losing that battle his remains were sent to Rossville,New York and buried there."
Penton is without a doubt the most knowledgeable expert on JWs - just ask him, he'll tell you!
The FACT is that an EMPTY coffin was shipped to Rossville - a neighborhood on Staten Island in NYC, and that EMPTY coffin was buried there - never opened, never a viewing of the corpse, because it was buried in California.
i wanted to take a moment to thank everyone who has posted here as i have been reading all of them.
i have realized that i am not alone in my struggles and the realization that the " truth" is a bunch of crap.
i have been over come with emotion over the last years or so.
Welcome, CovertsadJW.
You are not alone; I have been living in your attic for three weeks.
Best wishes to you.
for shits and grins, i looked at an online sunday meeting a few days ago on youtube.
i was in disbelieve on just how silly everything looks with the watchtower reader reading from his little iphone and the watchtower conductor holding up his iphone to ask the questions.
then the conductor asked the reader to read a bible verse and of course, he reads from his little phone.
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good evening all, this is my first time posting.. been reading and following for two years.
my story will come soon.... but i want to say to all, thanks for all the meaningful, intellectual, honest, and insightful words!!
it’s been an interesting 48 years of service to an organization!
Welcome Deke, and I hope your reading here has been as consoling as it might have been infuriating.
Best wishes to you as you move forward.
seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
Sadly, now a transgendered morphodite is claiming this same baker has discriminated against he-she-it because he turned down the job after the would-be "customer" told the baker in deail about the symbolism involved in the design of the celebratory confection.
Those who claim that people in business have no right to refuse business are communist dupes, plain and simple.
If one twist has the right to be a mutilated morphodite, then another twist has the right to be a silly Xtian.
It is called FREEDOM, you Marxist dupes!
in the genocidal instructions supposedly given by god we find this interesting command: “now kill all the boys.
and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (numbers 31:17, 18).
in the midst of killing and plundering, how were the israelites to determine whether each girl “has slept with a man” or not?.
"How were to determine virginity of girls?"
Simple!
You ASK them!
Virgins are compelled by God's Magic Spirit to answer all questions about their sexuality honestly and completely! - Fellatio 3:16
how many people here can sincerely say those words to someone?
i take it most here do not say prayers, right?
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"I’m Sending You My Thoughts and Prayers."
In my ever-humble opinion, the trademark phrase of a cheapskate suck-up!
They may protest "well, it was the least I could do."
I reply, "Yes, it certainly was. The VERY least. It is impossible to do anything less helpful to the bereaved while it makes YOU seem 'caring' and 'Spiritual.' You suck."
That is why I frequently post that I will sing showtunes for the recently departed, to illustrate absurdity by being absurd.
no one really knows where ruthaford is buried.
there is some word of mouth evidence that he is buried under the garage of beth sarim.
i think he is under the garage.
Rutherford's (note the spelling please, chillun) burial place may not be known -YET - but he had a physical body and was not seen goin' up yonder with Enoch, so his bones be somewhere, and I will bet money that a GPR survey of Beth Sarim/Shan would find the unknown body of a hastily-buried fat man somewhere on those grounds.
